Nat7 wrote:All fans of Eugene want that the program was done by other choreographer.
Well, I am afraid that I don't really feel that I need to be included in the "all".
To be more precise,
if Evgeni decides to skate a program by another choreographer, and it's a beautiful program (as subjective as that admittedly is), and he feels connected to it, then yes, I will be very happy. But the way I feel about it is that it is completely up to him and his team to decide. As for Camerlengo, if I actually see--with my own eyes--a wonderful program choreographed by him which suits Evgeni well, which then Evgeni decided not to use, maybe then I'll be a little rueful (for the program itself), but I will respect the decision of Evgeni and his team. But right now? No one has even seen even a single move, or heard more information than one snippet or two from Mishin. I think it's great that Evgeni and his team feel that they can try to learn things from different people, and that is good enough for me. I am not going to pin my hopes blindly any one choreographer or another, no matter how "COP-friendly" or "fashionable". And I am not going to talk about Evgeni and his team as if they don't know what they're doing or if they don't understand figure skating.
And yes, I know that people will say that if he doesn't get this or that "name" then he won't be able to beat Chan or Takahashi or he won't be on the podium or whatever. Well, to that I can only say that none of us have magical crystal balls. Call me cynical, but when it comes to scores, I believe what people say about "old" and "new" and "good" and "bad" choreography are more politics than anything else. I've seen people repeat the statements that anything Avdish choreographs or anything Plushenko (or Russian skaters or European skaters or whoever, for that matter) skates is "bad" choreography, whatever "bad" stands for. And sometimes they say it without even looking at the programs. Well, this is called
prejudice. And some people deliberately spread it because they want to push their own agendas. And to be honest, I don't like seeing that kind of prejudice being internalized by Plushenko's own fans.
I am not saying that people have to love every bit or any of the choreography by David Avdish or anything like that. However, I still believe that if there is something about anyone's choreography that one likes or dislikes, then one should first have seen the actual program. And one should have some understanding of why specifically one feels that way, whether from a personal point of view or from the COP point of view. But right now, this entire discussion seems to me to be based on zero information of what Camerlengo has actually done or intends to do for Evgeni.
So at this point, for myself I just want him to skate what he wants. When it comes to competitiveness and winning, well, surely I'd have thought that by now, his own fans know how much he
wants to fight to win. And I'd have thought that by now, his own fans know that he and his team know more about figure skating than they themselves.
P. S. Sorry, since we're already talking about choreographers, there's another thing that I just wanted to get off my chest. Since 2010, I've at times seen Plushenko's fans say--in so many words--that he "should get rid of" Avdish. I understand that people are saying this sort of thing because they want Evgeni to win, and they feel that some other choreographer would give him a better chance of winning. However, whether one likes David's choreography or not, given how close David is to Evgeni, how long they have been together, how much they have been through together, and how important he is to Evgeni as a team-member and friend, and also what kind of person Evgeni is, I believe such statements--put in such words--are just completely inappropriate things to say, coming from his fans. (Frankly, I would mind it a lot less from non-fans, or even haters.)
(Just to clarify, this is not directed at anyone in this particular discussion, actually, because nobody here right now has said anything like that. It's just something that has been bothering me a great deal for a long time.)
P. P. S. I just read the above post, and I apologize if it came across as a little aggressive-sounding. I am certainly not trying to appear righteous or a "bigger fan than thou" or anything. It's just that I seem to remember having this same type of discussion last year....(And that time, there was at least some information about the programs themselves.)